Some more quick updates and then some more commentary:
1. Montazeri: One of the most important religious figures in Iran, Grand Ayatullah Hussain Ali Montazeri, a one-time designated successor to Khomeini until they had a falling out, has issued a letter critical of the regime and in support of the demonstrators. This is a supremely important letter and carries with it great religious authority. Read about it here. Excerpt: “I ask the police and army personals not to “sell their religionâ€, and beware that receiving orders will not excuse them before god. Recognize the protesting youth as your children. Today censor and cutting telecommunication lines can not hide the truth.”
2. Pro-Government Rally: “Thousands of supporters of President Ahmadinejad staged their own rally in Vali Asr Square in central Tehran – some bussed in from the provinces, correspondents say.”
3. Anti-Government Rally: “The latest opposition rally comes despite a Mousavi spokesman urging supporters not to take part in another demonstration on Tuesday, amid fears of new violence.” [This is particularly important because the fact that the protests continue despite Mousavi’s order shows that the protest movement is mushrooming beyond the control of any one person.]
4. Media Restrictions: “Foreign reporters in Iran to cover last week’s elections began leaving the country Tuesday after Iranian officials said they would not extend their visas. Authorities restricted other journalists, including Iranians working for foreign media from reporting on the streets, and said they could only work from their offices, conducting telephone interviews and monitoring official sources such as state television. The rules prevent media outlets, including The Associated Press, from sending independent photos or video of street protests or rallies.”
I fear that the foreign reporters and being forced to leave and communications are being disrupted not simply just to block coordination among the organizers of the demonstrations, but because the regime is preparing for a crackdown and wants as little coverage as possible.
5. Recount: “A spokesman for the Guardian Council, Abbas Ali Kadkhodaei, was quoted on state television as saying the recount would be limited to voting sites where candidates claim irregularities took place. He did not rule out the possibility of canceling the results, saying that is within the council’s powers, although nullifying an election would be an unprecedented step.” [The opposition has rejected any possible recount and demands a re-vote.]
6. Twitter and Facebook: The telegraph was the means of communication to Iran’s 1906 Constitutional Revolution. The cassette tape was the means of communication to the Islamic Revolution in 1979. Today, it seems that Twitter, Facebook, and SMS are the means of communication to this movement.
7. Reza Pahlavi: So he’s being paraded on CNN and Fox News. What a clown. He’s has nothing to do with this movement and I have not seen a single image of him on the streets in Tehran. I’ve seen people hoisting up pictures of Mousavi and Khatami among the opposition and Ahmadinejad, Khomeini, and Khamenei among the regime supporters, but absolutely nothing of Pahlavi. Does he know that he’s doing more harm than good? People who want the protests to continue should not smear the demonstrators by tagging their constroversial and absolutely irrelevant selves to the movement.
” I’ve seen people hoisting up pictures of Mousavi and Khatami among the opposition and Ahmadinejad, Khomeini, and Khamenei among the regime supporters, but absolutely nothing of Pahlavi. Does he know that he’s doing more harm that good? People who want the protests to continue should not smear the demonstrators by tagging their constroversial and absolutely irrelevant selves to the movement.”
AMEN to that
You should have included what nobody here is saying. What if he really did win? What is Mousavis popularity was just our wishful thinking?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/14/AR2009061401757.html
The election results in Iran may reflect the will of the Iranian people. Many experts are claiming that the margin of victory of incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was the result of fraud or manipulation, but our nationwide public opinion survey of Iranians three weeks before the vote showed Ahmadinejad leading by a more than 2 to 1 margin — greater than his actual apparent margin of victory in Friday’s election.
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Nice, the health ministry has ordered all the ambulences to transfer people to military hospital in tehran. I WONDER WHY?
plus now the country has vowed to collect all the satelite tv in tehran.
nice, the government has started the crack down. Next steps students and leader will start disappearing.
now unsubstantiated reports of Hamas members helping Iranian government crushing the protests: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1245184848467&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Prudent moves are called for if Iran’s re-elected leader intends to avert a full-blown national crisis. Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s call for a probe of voter fraud allegations is a good first step, but President Mahmud Ahmadinejad must still find innovative ways to appease the millions that voted against him. Mir Hossein Mousavi as Ahmadinejad’s foreign minister? Now, that’s a creative idea. – Kaveh L Afrasiabi (Jun 16
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF17Ak03.html
In the West, governments are owned and run by the banking and financial system. In Iran, it’s the Oil Ministry that controls the purse strings. Having finally won control of oil revenues from the faction of former president Hashemi Rafsanjani, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and President Mahmud Ahmadinejad are in no mood to give it up.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF17Ak01.html
Unfortunately, it was only a matter of time when vultures like Arash and other zionists started to hover and pretend to care about human rights:
http://www.aipac.org/130.asp#25850
I could not get the papers in iran that published the numbers in election but from a blog these are the real numbers from election
http://www.hamedtalebi.blogfa.com/post-315.aspx
I think its relevant to give a brief overview of what exactly takes place during the Iranian Election. For simplicity I’ve subdivided the process into the different stages.
Stage 1:
-Collect Votes
-Count Votes
-At least 5 local volunteers do both the collection and counting
-Also present at each local Polling Station is a Monitor from the Guardian Council, and now a Monitor from each candidate (Each candidate has the option to send a monitor, mousavi for example sent over 40,000 Monitors nationwide).
Stage 2:
-At the end of the counting, each station fills out a Form 22. Form 22 contains all data for that polling station: # of ballots arrived at station, # of ballots used, # of ballots missing, # blank, etc…. and of course # of votes for each candidate.
-Again all the monitors are present and supervise this stage as well.
-There are 5 original copies of Form 22 for each polling station. One copy is sent to the interior ministry for tallying, another with the Guardian Council Monitor for when they need to review the election, and three other copies are kept with the local volunteers.
Stage 3:
-At the interior Ministry then the data from each polling station is compiled by city, province, region, etc. and the final count is produced.
-Once the tally is completed the result is announced. Its silly to criticize counting 40 million votes in 8 hours cause most of the counting takes place locally in parallel. After that the data is just tallied.
Stage 4:
-After the results are announced, if there are complaints, the Guardian’s Council will review its Form 22 data and compare to the interior ministry count.
-If needed the ballots, which are kept on record, can be recounted for any branch.
The point of going through the stages is to point out that in order for Ahmadinejad to have faked 24 million votes either he had the cooperation of monitors and local volunteers at thousands of polling stations (unlikely, and near impossible) or he was creative in the tally of the results at the interior ministry (stupid). If it was the former there would be concrete evidence cause someone amongst those several thousand people that would have to be involved would step forward, or the evidence would be found in a recount. Or one of the candidates own monitors at the various stations would have noticed something. If it was the later, if the interior ministry made up the numbers, then again the evidence would be with the Guardian’s Council who was a copy of every Form 22.
Given the web of monitors, why then is mousavi claiming fraud? Why has he not pointed to any concrete evidence? Perhaps its because the mousavi campaign had a plan B if they didn’t win. Perhaps the mousavi campaign is so adamant about ousting ahmadinejad that they planed to use chaos in the capital if they had to. Two things to support this ‘perhaps’ scenario: (1) Mousavi campaign had organizational meeting BEFORE the elections to set logistics for mass demonstrations in Tehran, (2) Rafsanjani (ally of mousavi) in his letter indirectly threatened Khamenei with chaos in the streets if the later didn’t step in to stop Ahmadinejad.
The tension at these demonstrations (of stupidity) in DC is stunning. First of all, you have at least 4 different flags. Then you have posters of the usual clowns. Next you see the people who disagree with one another fighting like dogs and telling each other why the other is a “madar this” or “madar that” who is enabling Ahmadinejad. You see people asking females who wear veils to take them off, because it’s June. I’m so embarrassed.
Ok so now you’re switching topics. I’m discussing the protests and you come back at me with Ahmadinejad’s rhetoric. That post wasn’t a defense of Ahmadinejad. I never said I agree with him, did I? Get a grip.
What I’m embarrassed about is people who are giving a bailout to people who are corrupt to the bone. I’m emarrassed that those same people don’t have the decency to let those others speak up and hold up whatever posters they’d like. No one owns these protests outside Iran. It never amazes me how much Iranians love to say “free speech” for the sake of it, but when they’re tested, they lose it. I won’t mention him by name, but a certain person caused a young woman to cry at a protest here in DC. Everyone saw it. He shouted at her and told her “you’re an idiot”. No one stepped in and said “Hey asshole, stop bossing people around.” Iranians have much bigger problems than Ahmadinejad v. Mousavi.
Arash the Occupation Soldier, stop trying to monopolize the debate. Please gather your thoughts for one clean coherent post, not 20 random incoherent poorly written poorly worded grammatically incorrect posts that attack people. Thank you.
And whose posters am I referring to? The clown Pahlavi. But you know what? These people are Americans/ immigrants. They have a right to say what they like. The same goes for the young people at the interests section who came to show support for Ahmadinejad. The DCPD had to tell these geezers to back off of them and quit shouting in their ears. How pathetic. Hemayat for “Only the youth we agree with” is more like it.
Pouya, you keep erasing my posts, anyways, i only asked the legitmacy of what R has posted, you erased the whole thing, either way, here is a raw footage from Tehran: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BjczWD8F0U
Not related to this topic – sorry. Pouya, I asked you a long time ago whether you had seen a movie I’d seen but couldn’t remember the title of. I’m still looking. I wonder if you have seen it since? What I remember most of all is that a Palestinian family builds a greenhouse and the IDF soldiers who occupy their house tear it down. The family continues to build the greenhouse (to cultivate a vegetable garden for a science project I think) every day despite the IDF tearing it down afterward. Thanks for your help.
Akhe Benjamine khaen! To ba iran che kar dari? To kheyli vaght pish neshun dadi che tor adami hasti vaghti rafti to arteshe jenayat kare regime zionisti. To ghoseye irano nakhor ma sampatie zionistha va khaenha mesle to ra nemikhayim. Inshallah khoda laanatet kone, albate be nazar mirese ke karde chon maalume ke to bi hoviati. Kasi bi khodi vasate zendegish en ghadr seft o sakht tarafdare regime jenayat kar nemishe agar hoviat dare aghaye khaen! Fekr mikoni ma kharim? Moteasafam barat.
1. ageh khar naboodi ke eenjoori harf nemizadi! 2. laanat shodeh ooneke injoori sohbat mikone 3. mibinim kee be iran bishtar khianat kardeh, 4, mibinim kee alan too khiaboona dareh javoonatoono injoori mizaneh va mikoshe, 5, mibinim kee dareh alan irano be khako khoon mikeshe, hala oomadi soraghe inke agar man khaen hastam ya na? agar to vaghean adam boodi, alan mifahmidi ke alan vaghteh tafragheh nist badbakht, agar harfi ke mizanam eshkali dareh harfamo criticize kon, va garna ageh ba deeno mazhabam kari dare, lotfan khafe marg begir chon aslan beto heech rabtee nadareh
amsali mesleh to hastan ke hamisheh mikhan tafraghe bendazan ba lable kardoneh mardon; har moghe iran khast ye zareh etehad peyda koneh, arazel obashi mesleh to peyda shodan ke goftan: inha sahyoonist hastan, ina taghooti hastan, ina in hastan, ina oon hastan, badan hamoon in adamha zadan, koshtan, gharat kardan, va dahaneh irano saaf kardan….. emrooz sarbazhaye esraeli nistan ke daran mizanan, mikoshan, emrooz hamoon kasayee hastan ke ashk baraye felestine mirizan, arazel obashi mesleh to!
dar zemn, yadam nabood, kee mordo toro sahebeh iran kard?! az key tahala to sahebeh iran shodi ke mitooni begi kee haghe harf zadan dareh kee nadareh?
Man khoda ro shokr mikonam ke eenha sarbazhaye regime zionisti nistan! Ghaze va lobnan ro didim, agha khaen. Man etefaghan tarafdare daneshjuham, ama kesafat mesle to dar jonbeshemun nemikhayim, be zararemune. Boro az jenayathaye regime khodet defa va tojih kon, man felan mikham az jenayathaye regime khodam enteghad va mobarezeh konam. Tafavote man o to ro hala mibini agha khaen?
Ali Hazrat, az hamoon esmet maloomeh tafavotet chee hastesh, ageh khoob cheshato vaaz koni va nefrateto az khodet door koni mibini ke dareh hamin daneshjoohayee ke to daree azashoon tarafdari mikonio alan mikosheh! Tafavoteh mano ineh ke az tanafor pori and nemitooni tanaforeto hata baraye yek sanieh ham shode nadideh begiri, hata dar mogheyee ke etehad bayad basheh. ageh mikhay sedaye mano khafeh koni, avazi sedaye 100 yahoodi ke az israel hemayat ham mikonan ro haminjoori mikhay khafeh koni? to kee hastee ke begi kee mitooni harf bezaneh va ki nemitooneh harf bezaneh! hala esmeh khodet ham ali hazrat gozashti va eda az hemayat az daneshjooha mikoni? to hamin harf zadanet hee farghi ba oon joojeh basijiha nadareh.
100 hezar yahoodi kharej va dakhel keshvar…
Khare bi shour. Familam hazrate man ke familamo entekhab nakardam akhe to che ghadr khari? Agar ham bashe mage moshkeli dare? Mage unha ke mazhabi hastan nemitunan moghabele akhundha be eestan. Een junbesh, jonbeshe zede fascisme agha khaen. Mitunim zede fascism bashim va dar zemn zioniste fascist mesle khodet dar dakhele junbeshemun bashan?
Boro be bachehaye felestin ke tazahoret mikonan beres agha khaen. Adam kosh, va tarafdare adam koshah dar junbeshemun nemikhahim
na adameh aghel, akhe ke esmo familesho roo ye blog mizareh vaghti dareh comment mideh?
adameh khar: faghat adamhaye az khod razi khodeshoono hazrat khatab mikonam, manam nemidoonestam ke enghadar kodani ke vaghean esmo famileto dar web blog estefadeh mikoni, goftam in digeh ajab az khod razieh ke khodesho hazrateh ali khatab mikoneh…dar zemn man kari be mazhabi boodanet nadara, nadashtam, va nakhaham dasht.
va dar zemn, behet ke goftan, hamoon adamayee ke to dar lebanon vasashoon ashk mirikhti, hamoon jebhehaye azadi talabi ke daree hemayat mikoni, bad az koshtan bachehaye esraeli dar otooboosa, omada soragheh khodetoon.
adameh aghel, to aslan nemidooni maniyeh fascist chieh, hala omadi migi fascist?
dar zemn, chera hey bahso be esrael/felestine mikeshi? mozoeh iran rabti be israel nadareh, faghat ba in karet daree tanafor rayej mikoni…
yadet nareh avazi: etehad, na etefagh
dar zemn, yadet nareh yahoodihaye irooni hamashoon az israel poshtivani mikonan, aya mikhay sedaye hamashoono khafeh koni?
to tedad koshte shode, tedade khune ke kharab shode, teedade zamin va aab ke dozdide shode, moghayese kon agha bi aghel. bad bebin agar esraeel ya felestin ya lubnan fasciste. Va er nazan to ke miduni zamaneh khomeyni va komiteh regime khodet be iran aslahe mifrukht, va bar akse alan junbeshe felestin dasht az moghavemat hemayat mikart. EEnha hamash siasate motesafena to nafahmi nemiduni een chiza to. vali eena hich rabti be junbeshe khodemun nadare, moafegham. Vali vaghti ke az unha ke dar tazahorat mikuban o mizanan o tir mizanan enteghad mikonim, che juri mitunim dar zemn vasatemun yek tarafdare esraeel hozur dashte bashe?! Asan gheyre manteghi agha khaen. Enghelabe pish ba akhund va eslamie efrati fased shod, nemikham een junbesh ham ba zionist fased beshe. Fahmidi na fahm?
gheyreh manteghi: pas dar mantegheh to, bayad 100hezar kalimieh irani khafeh shan chon as esrael defa mikonan. Pas in hameh sarbaz va khalabeh esraeli ke hame irani hastan bayad hamegi khafeh beshan chon ke to migi manteghi nist?
alan bahse ye chizeh digeh hast, vazeh esrael/felestin ham ye chizeh digeh, ageh to bekhay sedaye mardomo khamoosh koni bekhatereh oonche ke fakr mikonan, ya sokhani ke bar zaban miaran, ya ejtemayee ke mikonan, pas to ye fascist beesh nisti.
Dar zemn to hanooz maniyeh fascist nemidooni, naya az fascist harf bezan, khodeh amrica zamino zaman dar germany dar WWII beham rikht, pas bar tebghe manteghe to America fascist hast? cherto pert lotfan naparoon.
🙂 Thanks for your earlier comment regarding what I wrote.
Peaceful Protest in Orange County
Wednesday, June 17, 2009
Time: 5:00pm – 8:00pm
Location: OC
Street: Corner of Jamboree and Barranca
City/Town: Irvine, CA
All Television News Channels Have Been Informed.
PLEASE BRING SIGNS!!!!!!!
We will never know if CIA is behind these events, but there is a history in recent years of attempts at destabilizing this government. This video compilation shows that history.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRwUZ-u6KFo
wow, conspiracy theorist and Pro-Ahmadinejad forces are in full force in somehow trying to minimize the events in Iran and blame it on either Zionists or CIA
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