I don’t want to be perceived as legitimizing this two-party regime, but I must say, Obama is exciting.
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I don’t want to be perceived as legitimizing this two-party regime, but I must say, Obama is exciting.
Hes proving himself to be quite the go getter.
Id be interested to see if Obama would actually negotiate SERIOUSLY with Iran, and what would come out of it.
If you go on Arash’s blog, you see that he has to post under anonymous names just to make it look like there are a lot of people commenting on his blog. The language is the same though, so you know its him:
“I think that Sanyora has to say things like that, that israel is preparing for another war, bla bla bla…… because he is facing a lot of pressure from the march 8th side which accuse him of being a puppet and trying to give israel more time to deal with HA.
there are different standards in victory between HA and Israel, one demands that their entire government resigns over the loss of 100 citizens while the other claims divine victory over the loss of 1200, billions of dollars in damage and half their territory destroyed.”
Obama may sound/look exciting, but I venture to say that AIPAC knows where to put its money and influence. Remember, John McCain was nothing/nowhere a few months ago — an obvious loser. But with AIPAC’s backing, suddenly the war-monger has became a front-runner in the Republican Party — out of no-where.
In spite of the anti-McCain campaigns by Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin and all other right-wing talk-show hosts (and their millions of followers/ditto-heads), the Israelis may well win against the Hillary/Obama campaign — and get their darling war-monger in the White House to Bomb Bomb Bomb — Bomb Bomb Iran, as usual, at the expense of American tax-payer’s money and blood.
Curious Joe, thats a pretty simplistic analysis of what has been going on. Can yo provide any evidence that the Israeli Lobby is the main force behind US conservative public opinion? I think its faulty to label the lobby as all powerful. Theres no evidence that the Israeli lobby is the main factor behind American foreign policy, and I dont think we should fall into the trap of thinking this is an all powerful lobby and we cant do anyting about it. It is the JOB of propaganda lobbies to portray themsleves as all powerful, plus, Jewish public opinion is still overwehlmingly liberal and democrat-views on Israel not withstanding.
Pouya, take a look at this leaked intelliigent document on Iraq. One of many fascinating things: The MEK actually engaged in hostile actions against US forces when they invaded:
https://secure.wikileaks.org/leak/us-iraq-rules-of-engagement.pdf
To Jamshid:
I assume you have read John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt’s work on the power of the Israel Lobby in shaping the US Foreign Policy ( Refer to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer#.22Israel_Lobby.22_controversy ).
I further assume that you are familiar with Noam Chomsky’s work on the subject ( Refer to: http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=11&ItemID=9999 ).
Are you saying that AIPAC is just sitting at the corner and merely watching the election process in the US unfold, without taking any action to influence the outcome towards Israel’s interest? Unless you think AIPAC is sitting idle, I’d be interested to know what scenarios/actions you hypothesize they are taking, and what resulting outcome we can expect.
Curious Joe, this is bizarre, you link me to an article that proves my point.
“But recognizing that M-W took a courageous stand, which merits praise, we still have to ask how convincing their thesis is. Not very, in my opinion. I’ve reviewed elsewhere what the record (historical and documentary) seems to me to show about the main sources of US ME policy, in books and articles for the past 40 years, and can’t try to repeat here.”
Israeli and AMerican interests converge, THAT is the MAIN factor, NOT the lobby, which is also very important. And no, no one claimed they are sitting by idly, they are doing what they can, but to believe that Dick Cheney got fooled into going to war with Iraq by the Israeli lobby is laughable.
Jamshid:
In your previous post you said wrote “Can you provide any evidence that the Israeli Lobby is the main force behind US conservative public opinion? I think it is faulty to label the lobby as all powerful. There is no evidence that the Israeli lobby is the main factor behind American foreign policyâ€.
I intentionally gave Chomsky’s reference to indicate a different viewpoint from Mearsheimer and Walt’s. However, if you want a more convincing argument for M-W’s case, then you may want to read/review the following 2 recent books:
1- “The Power of Israel in the United States†by James Petras
2- “Israel and the Clash of Civilizations†by Jonathan Cook
It would be interesting to attend a debate about the subject between Chomsky versus Mearsheimer, Walt, Petras and Cook.
As for your last comment “to believe that Dick Cheney got fooled into going to war with Iraq by the Israeli lobby is laughableâ€, I’d like to raise the following questions:
1- Was Dick Cheney fooled into going to war or not? If he was fooled, then the question is by whom? If your answer is the neocons, then let’s look into the make-up of neocons such as Perle, Wolfowitz, etc. and their relationship with Israel. If it was not the neocons, then who was Cheney fooled by, and how?
2- Assuming Dick Cheney was not fooled at all to invade Iraq, then you must believe that he was following some kind of a long term Foreign Policy Doctrine – formulated/influenced by who? The Conservative American think tanks? The giant US oil and aerospace corporations (including Haliberton?), or the formulators of the grand geopolitical strategy against China/India/Russia — the likes of a Democrat such as Zbigniew Brzezinski (Ref. The Choice: Global Domination or Global Leadership; or his latest book, Second Chance: Crisis of American Superpower).
I’d be interested in your answers, or at least your explanation as to why my questions and references are pointless and irrelevant.